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	<title>Comments on: Permaculture as a tool for Dismantling Civilisation</title>
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	<description>the only solution is a change of culture</description>
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		<title>By: dvd</title>
		<link>http://www.endgame.org.uk/2008/09/permaculture-as-a-tool-for-dismantling-civilisation/comment-page-1/#comment-331</link>
		<dc:creator>dvd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Nov 2008 00:57:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Ted,

It&#039;s good to hear another Permaculture designer seeing the big picture as well - all too often people seem to stop short of applying permaculture to all human systems, not just food!

I&#039;ve often thought about how a course could be run that combines permaculture design with other key concepts like facilitating, alternative economies, foraging and bushcraft, anti-civ 101 etc.  Something aimed at showing people how to dismantle civilisation and build something better.  Who knows, with increasing awareness it may happen some day!

I haven&#039;t had a chance to see what a way to go yet, but from the clips I&#039;ve seen it looks very good, and it&#039;s certainly on my things to watch list.

I&#039;m still very much trying to figure out how best to address the coming crisis in the most positive way to build something better whilst surviving, so any input and comments would be appreciated.

Regards,
dvd</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Ted,</p>
<p>It&#8217;s good to hear another Permaculture designer seeing the big picture as well &#8211; all too often people seem to stop short of applying permaculture to all human systems, not just food!</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve often thought about how a course could be run that combines permaculture design with other key concepts like facilitating, alternative economies, foraging and bushcraft, anti-civ 101 etc.  Something aimed at showing people how to dismantle civilisation and build something better.  Who knows, with increasing awareness it may happen some day!</p>
<p>I haven&#8217;t had a chance to see what a way to go yet, but from the clips I&#8217;ve seen it looks very good, and it&#8217;s certainly on my things to watch list.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m still very much trying to figure out how best to address the coming crisis in the most positive way to build something better whilst surviving, so any input and comments would be appreciated.</p>
<p>Regards,<br />
dvd</p>
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		<title>By: Ted</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ted</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Oct 2008 07:10:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi dvd
And some of us are Permaculture gardeners/designers/teachers AND anti-civ!

It has been lonely for me, but there&#039;s a growing awareness amongst at least some Permaculture folk that it&#039;s a wonderful tool, but we still have to deal with the underlying cultural crisis. 

Unfortunately the mainstream of permaculture, especially in the &quot;civilised&quot; world, still think we can use it for a peaceful seamless transtion into a sane and sustainable way of living....yeah, right! NOT!

I was priviledged to be part of the research team helping Tim and Sally with their confrontive documentary &quot;What A Way To Go: Life At The End Of Empire&quot; : www.whatawaytogomovie.com. 
I&#039;ve shown it on Permaculture Design Certificate courses to rock and shatter students out of their denial....sometimes it works...sometimes students refuse to watch it or believe it could be that bad.

So we &quot;civilised&quot; could use Permaculture systems thinking to help us to survive the unfolding unravelling, but it&#039;s not going to make any difference it we don&#039;t recognise the cultural crisis, and try and rebuild our crappy dominant culture.

Regards
Ted</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi dvd<br />
And some of us are Permaculture gardeners/designers/teachers AND anti-civ!</p>
<p>It has been lonely for me, but there&#8217;s a growing awareness amongst at least some Permaculture folk that it&#8217;s a wonderful tool, but we still have to deal with the underlying cultural crisis. </p>
<p>Unfortunately the mainstream of permaculture, especially in the &#8220;civilised&#8221; world, still think we can use it for a peaceful seamless transtion into a sane and sustainable way of living&#8230;.yeah, right! NOT!</p>
<p>I was priviledged to be part of the research team helping Tim and Sally with their confrontive documentary &#8220;What A Way To Go: Life At The End Of Empire&#8221; : <a href="http://www.whatawaytogomovie.com">http://www.whatawaytogomovie.com</a>.<br />
I&#8217;ve shown it on Permaculture Design Certificate courses to rock and shatter students out of their denial&#8230;.sometimes it works&#8230;sometimes students refuse to watch it or believe it could be that bad.</p>
<p>So we &#8220;civilised&#8221; could use Permaculture systems thinking to help us to survive the unfolding unravelling, but it&#8217;s not going to make any difference it we don&#8217;t recognise the cultural crisis, and try and rebuild our crappy dominant culture.</p>
<p>Regards<br />
Ted</p>
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