Comments on: Beyond Copenhagen http://www.endgame.org.uk/2009/07/beyond-copenhagen/ the only solution is a change of culture Thu, 15 Jul 2010 16:52:03 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0 By: dvd http://www.endgame.org.uk/2009/07/beyond-copenhagen/comment-page-1/#comment-523 dvd Fri, 10 Jul 2009 16:30:24 +0000 http://www.endgame.org.uk/?p=792#comment-523 The main point of this article was that the current strategy of the environmental movement of pinning all hopes on politicians is doomed, and that focusing on our own efforts to dismantle the current system is much more important. Even if we have passed the tipping point for the climate system, the existing culture still needs to be torn down and replaced (if not more urgently) to limit further impacts from our emissions. Whilst I'm definitely not optimistic like many green commentators on the tipping point issue, I'm not convinced on if it's completely passed us by or not. What I am convinced by is that either way emissions need to be cut, the focus on the Copenhagen is misplaced, and reliance on politicians is dangerous. There is lots to do, including all the things mentioned at the end of my article that are useful in either scenario and complement your suggestions. I think we can both agree that Copenhagen is a distraction constructed by our untrustworthy elites! The main point of this article was that the current strategy of the environmental movement of pinning all hopes on politicians is doomed, and that focusing on our own efforts to dismantle the current system is much more important. Even if we have passed the tipping point for the climate system, the existing culture still needs to be torn down and replaced (if not more urgently) to limit further impacts from our emissions. Whilst I’m definitely not optimistic like many green commentators on the tipping point issue, I’m not convinced on if it’s completely passed us by or not. What I am convinced by is that either way emissions need to be cut, the focus on the Copenhagen is misplaced, and reliance on politicians is dangerous. There is lots to do, including all the things mentioned at the end of my article that are useful in either scenario and complement your suggestions. I think we can both agree that Copenhagen is a distraction constructed by our untrustworthy elites!

]]> By: Chris Brown http://www.endgame.org.uk/2009/07/beyond-copenhagen/comment-page-1/#comment-521 Chris Brown Fri, 10 Jul 2009 12:33:51 +0000 http://www.endgame.org.uk/?p=792#comment-521 What a silly piece! Those of us who know we went past the tipping point decades ago still feel there is lots to do....to accommodate refugees, in palliative care, and to face the horrors of cannibalism and worse, whatever that may be. Goofy greens--who think that the tipping point will be a conjunction of environmental measurements, rather than it having been a sociological event we passed decades ago (as warned by Limits to Growth)--cling to a desperate delusion about still being in control. The public's attention is always fickle and hypocritical. Politic politicos sell 2% solutions and then everybody pretends we are doing something. Give your head a shake! Open up the window and let the bad air out. What a silly piece! Those of us who know we went past the tipping point decades ago still feel there is lots to do….to accommodate refugees, in palliative care, and to face the horrors of cannibalism and worse, whatever that may be. Goofy greens–who think that the tipping point will be a conjunction of environmental measurements, rather than it having been a sociological event we passed decades ago (as warned by Limits to Growth)–cling to a desperate delusion about still being in control.

The public’s attention is always fickle and hypocritical. Politic politicos sell 2% solutions and then everybody pretends we are doing something.

Give your head a shake! Open up the window and let the bad air out.

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